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Post by Maria on Mar 9, 2008 20:30:49 GMT -5
Hello All I have been pondering the subject of Karma and Reincarnation. Anyone up for a discussion and exchange of perceptions and Ideas? Maria PS. Welcome board newbies
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Post by braveheart on Mar 9, 2008 22:36:21 GMT -5
Funny this topic should come up... all so timely... i will post below a portion of an email I sent thru to Toni today:
I seem to now be extending awareness beyond my understanding of time… time is a human creation and out of the animalistic mind. Beyond this sense of now are other worlds, all co-existing at the same time, and our thoughts in the hear and now, bring back into manifestation, different aspects of those realities based on what has been earthed thru our conscious mind.
To translate into common concepts, my belief is that in the here and now, we create thru the sum of who we are, our tomorrow. The thoughts, deeds and energy we sow today, is given life and opportunity for expression tomorrow. There is not always a conscious hold/awareness of this process as the higher self & masters also project opportunities for growth into our lives. Thru our dream states we confront concepts that are needed for our growth into the light of who we are, including those influences from other lives.
Looking at the light body, we have layers of energy around us, and while the spirit I AM aspect is ruler over the entire process, I believe that the closer the energy arounds us integrates with the conscious self, that energy is bought into manifestation. Some of that energy is a result of this life, but there is also a lot of other karmic energy that is around us from other lives. I believe this is the contributing factor for people suffering arthritis and other issues in the tissues as was demonstrated thru Antoinettes own process of healing.
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Post by braveheart on Mar 9, 2008 23:24:20 GMT -5
On the subject of reincarnation... since a young child I have had re-occurring dreams of me living on some other planet that seemed to be at conflict with a civilization from another world. As part of their survival strategy, the council of that civilization choose to evacuate a number of youths and take them to a new planet where new opportunities for security and survival can be realised. My dreams are of me trying to hide from these elders because I did not want to leave my family. It was explained to me that I would again meet up with my family but that I needed to be strong, and be a part of this process. In the dream, my parents of that time are the same parents I have today and I also recognise friends that were part of my childhood. The world itself was very similar to earth, it was just that I knew during the dreams that it is not here. Technologically they (we) were more advanced then what we have today so far as technology is concerned, and I believe we had telepathy as a normal every day skill. Automation was at its peak with amazing technology concepts all around. (Is it surprising that in this life my role is centered around automation engineering?)Life was focused on development of the individual, promoting that sense of peace, and humanitarian causes - we cared for our planet and all life forms that existed within our reality. Our world itself seemed balanced - no one was starving or without. We were not at war with people from our own planet, but integrated very peacefully with each other. We were not all 'masters' but individuals were at their own stage of evolution and meeting their required lessons/opportunities for growth. Our underlying culture was definitely spiritually influenced… Our world provided opportunity to focus lives on attainment, and of service to the planet, animal kingdoms and some devoted time to research and developments in technology and sciences including engineering and other disciplines including advanced energetic healing techniques. From what I understand, we were challenged by a force from a world that seemed technologically advanced, but not supported by the deeper spiritual nature. They demonstrated the animalistic mind, thru the warring factors and sought to exploit and control. I do not recall us attacking them, we were very much a peaceful culture, and I remember an evacuation, and in the distance I saw some explosions caused by what I believe was a flying machine. I do not recall the nature of our space vehicle… all I remember is a ball like object that we travelled in. I am not certain if it was energetic or a physical structure. - To consider this as a past life imprint, it would suggest that at some point perhaps earth was seeded from a civilisation much older then itself and that perhaps the traces and stories of Atlantis were the off-spring of such migrations (??).
- Perhaps the karmic imprint during that process of integrating with the vibration of earth, saw those warring factors surface from deep within the collective conscious and resulted in the demise of that civilization (??).
- Perhaps this process was necessary for us to fully integrate with the genetic make up we find ourselves expressing today.
- Is this dream the recall of a rebirth into a new reality on a world basic in form - in terms of animal formations and primitive man?
- Were the Atlantians the same as our selves, or were they the master elders that altered primitive man and bought forth that cycle of evolution from ape to man.... is this the missing link scientists search for today?
- Were the Atlantians master geneticist's and was their initial work the result of some of the creatures we read about in modern day myth stories?
- Did these elders, sow their spiritual signature into the fibres of a primitive animalistic man kind in our "Eden like" world?
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Post by braveheart on Mar 10, 2008 4:09:58 GMT -5
Assessing my dream further into the context that it is a recall of the seeding of Atlantis, could the underlying cause of evacuation (the conflict) be a karmic imprint that modern day man has enacted and expressed to a point of "realisation" and "self awareness"? Considering that this other world was experiencing conflict would suggest that the collective psyche was moving thru some intense energy and important lessons in terms of the over-all collective evolution. The world was mirroring a symptom deeper within the seed of their own vibration. As you know thru your own journey, the world mirrors the inner self, and on a daily basis we meet 'ourself' in ways that challenge us and presents us with an opportunity to direct light into heal & integrate with another aspect of who we are. To deny this process results in conflict as we become caught up in the drama of the experience. I have learnt this first hand and the hard way - and i am sure you too have had your battles. Could our current collective vibration still hold seeds of that ancient wound? Taking an historic look back over the past 200 odd years, it is quite evident that there are warring factors which have surfaced as a result of possibly these deeper karmic imprints. Now to the original question I posed "could the underlying cause of evacuation (the conflict) be a karmic imprint that modern day man has enacted and expressed to a point of "realisation" and "self awareness"? - Have we thru the battles which we have observed on TV including the modern conflict of Terrorism have shifted our awareness to a state of self awareness ?
- Are we moving thru this realisation as we speak?
- Are we finally acknowledging the karmic energy as we play out these dramas within our garden of eden?
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Post by Maria on Mar 10, 2008 21:27:38 GMT -5
On the subject of reincarnation... since a young child I have had re-occurring dreams of me living on some other planet that seemed to be at conflict with a civilization from another world. As part of their survival strategy, the council of that civilization choose to evacuate a number of youths and take them to a new planet where new opportunities for security and survival can be realised. My dreams are of me trying to hide from these elders because I did not want to leave my family. It was explained to me that I would again meet up with my family but that I needed to be strong, and be a part of this process. In the dream, my parents of that time are the same parents I have today and I also recognise friends that were part of my childhood. The world itself was very similar to earth, it was just that I knew during the dreams that it is not here. Technologically they (we) were more advanced then what we have today so far as technology is concerned, and I believe we had telepathy as a normal every day skill. Automation was at its peak with amazing technology concepts all around. (Is it surprising that in this life my role is centered around automation engineering?)Life was focused on development of the individual, promoting that sense of peace, and humanitarian causes - we cared for our planet and all life forms that existed within our reality. Our world itself seemed balanced - no one was starving or without. We were not at war with people from our own planet, but integrated very peacefully with each other. We were not all 'masters' but individuals were at their own stage of evolution and meeting their required lessons/opportunities for growth. Our underlying culture was definitely spiritually influenced? Our world provided opportunity to focus lives on attainment, and of service to the planet, animal kingdoms and some devoted time to research and developments in technology and sciences including engineering and other disciplines including advanced energetic healing techniques. From what I understand, we were challenged by a force from a world that seemed technologically advanced, but not supported by the deeper spiritual nature. They demonstrated the animalistic mind, thru the warring factors and sought to exploit and control. I do not recall us attacking them, we were very much a peaceful culture, and I remember an evacuation, and in the distance I saw some explosions caused by what I believe was a flying machine. I do not recall the nature of our space vehicle? all I remember is a ball like object that we travelled in. I am not certain if it was energetic or a physical structure. - To consider this as a past life imprint, it would suggest that at some point perhaps earth was seeded from a civilisation much older then itself and that perhaps the traces and stories of Atlantis were the off-spring of such migrations (??).
- Perhaps the karmic imprint during that process of integrating with the vibration of earth, saw those warring factors surface from deep within the collective conscious and resulted in the demise of that civilization (??).
- Perhaps this process was necessary for us to fully integrate with the genetic make up we find ourselves expressing today.
- Is this dream the recall of a rebirth into a new reality on a world basic in form - in terms of animal formations and primitive man?
- Were the Atlantians the same as our selves, or were they the master elders that altered primitive man and bought forth that cycle of evolution from ape to man.... is this the missing link scientists search for today?
- Were the Atlantians master geneticist's and was their initial work the result of some of the creatures we read about in modern day myth stories?
- Did these elders, sow their spiritual signature into the fibres of a primitive animalistic man kind in our "Eden like" world?
Hi Braveheart Could it be possible that you are picking up the energy vibration from another planet instead of it being a past life? I've been reading a very interesting hypothesis whereby the author puts forth a very interesting viewpoint opposing the existence of Reincarnation and Karma.
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Post by Maria on Mar 11, 2008 8:04:15 GMT -5
Hi Braveheart
The book I am currently reading is called Astrological Signatures by C.C Zain who created a 21 book course on Hermetics under the umbrella of the Church of light. His focus is on teaching about Astrology, The Occult and Mental Alchemy. Very fascinating series of books. The theory he puts forth is a that he believes a soul evolves from Mineral to Man . Since any matter is comprised of energy that anything that was and is leaves a vibratory signature and that depending on the way we are tuned we have psychic experiences that we receive and that those sometimes get interpreted as reincarnations as they feel very real. He believes that that due to astral substances inter-penetrating and surrounding all, retaining whatever vibrations are imparted to it, every idea ever held by man and every thought having passed through his mind, persist in the astral. All the world's events pf the past have left their impress as vibrations in the astral substance associated with this earth. A person naturally sensitive, one one having cultivated the lucidic senses, who comes into rapport with the astral vibrations recording a past event sees that event as if it were taking place before his eyes. Just as a psychometrist upon touching a l;letter written by someone years before has all the thoughts and sensations that the person had while writing the letter, so a sensitive person who comes into rapport with an astral record feels as he were actually witnessing or taking part in the recorded even.
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Post by braveheart on Mar 11, 2008 21:54:05 GMT -5
Very Interesting. I have participated in psychomotry exercises, and found myself when holding someones jewellery as being able to move into a place where by i can observe situations. My last encounter was with a woman - i had never been to her house and knew her only from meditation class at a local new age store. When i held her ring, i found the imagery open up and described her day at work, and from there i moved closer to her and was outside her home describing her chicken pen, and dripping water bore that needed fixing... from here, i walked up to her back door of her home describing the laundry before she asked me to enter the house, where i was able to describe in detail the layout of her home. We even argued about something i was seeing which was a calendar in her Kitchen. She claimed it was not there, and i argued that yes i was... i can see it right now... she went home and discovered that her mum had hung one up in the kitchen and that she had forgotten about it.
To me these experiences are different to my dream/vision though i do contemplate that certain aspects of it (the dream) are echos into our future as well.
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Post by braveheart on Mar 13, 2008 3:39:44 GMT -5
I started to read OOM - the book presented by Toni. I was so shocked to read the essays of Azreal who covers the topic of Atlantis. Those writtings are all in sync with that Dream i shared and goes into so much more detail. I literally could not put it down and was up until 2:00am reading it!! And no doubt i will be again tonight...
If you haven't read the book - do so ASAP -- Highly recommended.
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Post by braveheart on Mar 15, 2008 18:36:46 GMT -5
Maria, You Wrote:
Hi Braveheart, Could it be possible that you are picking up the energy vibration from another planet instead of it being a past life? I've been reading a very interesting hypothesis whereby the author puts forth a very interesting viewpoint opposing the existence of Reincarnation and Karma.
Can you go into more depth about this subject that you are reading? Can you share your thoughts about the dream and this concept of another planet? I would be most interested in your view of what the author is delivering?
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Post by Maria on Apr 24, 2008 7:40:04 GMT -5
Hi Braveheart I don't like writing much but will write up a summary of his point of view this weekend for you. It is a very very interesting point of view and I resonated with it very much. When you think about it a little you can't help but reach the same conclusion that he may be on to something and that Karma really does not exist and neither does reincarnation.
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