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Post by Maria on Aug 15, 2007 16:02:33 GMT -5
Got a question for all you lovely people. Since Toni told me I needed to write more to get in touch with my spirits I chose this forum to write down a random thought I had earlier. Is Judgment really something bad? We as human being constantly judge things, situation and people to make decision that are right for us at any given moment and hope that our decisions are the right ones. We judge what we feel, what looks good to wear, what activity to partake in next and so on. So how can it be something bad that we should strive to release? The majority of self help books I read advise us to let go of judgment and I as usual find this difficult to do. Without judgment we would not be able to interpret important situations. Until today I felt kind of bad for judging things until this train of thought occurred to me. Is judgment just another word for making a decision? To me you can make judgments/decisions and still have a open heart,soul and mind. I declare today to stop beating myself up about judging things as I think we all have to in order to move forward. What do you think? Maria (who spends another day pondering )
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Post by charlotte on Aug 15, 2007 16:24:46 GMT -5
Wow. I always took this to mean that we should not judge others - which includes how they live their life, who they want in their life, etc. But that is just how I see it!
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Post by Maria on Aug 15, 2007 16:33:18 GMT -5
Interesting point of view Charlotte thanks for posting
Is it really that we should not judge others - which includes how they live their life, who they want in their life, etc or should it be that we should not let the judgment by others affect and change us but rather that we should learn to keep the judgements to ourselves or do you think we should not judge at all? I think at the end of the day we can strive to stop judging but don't think we are ever able to not do so but, what we can do is not oppose our judgments onto others and accept that it is their judgement to make.
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Post by Maria on Aug 15, 2007 22:20:03 GMT -5
Figured I needed to define my personal meaning of judgement. When I talk about judgment I use it in the terms as defined by dictionary.com second definition. 2. the ability to judge, make a decision, or form an opinion objectively, authoritatively, and wisely, esp. in matters affecting action; good sense; discretion: a man of sound judgment. I am not refering to the condeming kind judgment whereby you point a finger at someone and withhold unconditional love.
judg·ment –noun 1. an act or instance of judging. 2. the ability to judge, make a decision, or form an opinion objectively, authoritatively, and wisely, esp. in matters affecting action; good sense; discretion: a man of sound judgment. 3. the demonstration or exercise of such ability or capacity: The major was decorated for the judgment he showed under fire. 4. the forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion, as from circumstances presented to the mind: Our judgment as to the cause of his failure must rest on the evidence. 5. the opinion formed: He regretted his hasty judgment.
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Post by Antoinette "Toni" Moltzan on Aug 23, 2007 13:33:50 GMT -5
There are different forms of judgement. It is correct that judgement is the act of making decisions hopefully based on good sense and wise understanding.
I like to think of being the observer who does not interfer in anothers decisions or the choices in their lives. Letting go of judgements about other people is letting go of their consequences that are created when actions cause negative karma.
So a judge is a wise counselor who can see the consequences that would balance a situation for the greater good. Letting go of being responsible for the consequences is necessary to achieve a state of peace of mind. But to recognize behavior that is causing damage or injustice, is not condeming it is practicing the law of love. Letting go of judgments is not letting go of common sense or living by the Law of Love.
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Post by tamingthetiger on Aug 26, 2007 6:54:02 GMT -5
hi guys, great discussion. I offer my two cents here...
Judging, almost always implies forming an opinion following (conscious or subconscious) evaluation against a certain set of value code/law/standards. Then the next question will be: against whose value/law/standards are we judging others/their decisions/things/events/"reality"? What if "mine" or "ours" are different from "others'"?
I hope the quesiton will be helpful for your exploration.
Existence has no polarity, it just is, and it is simply that. Polarity of "good" and "bad", "right" and "wrong" are invented by the small human mind.
I would also like to offer a possibility (certainly not invented by my small mind): discernment is necessary and helpful (simple recognisation without value judgment invovled), judging might entail "imposition" or "interference" or "condemnation" either "ethically", or in action, or in speech, or energetically, or worse, by force.
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Post by Maria on Aug 26, 2007 9:27:49 GMT -5
Hi Tamingthetiger. Indeed a very interesting topic and a great thought provoking post.
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Post by braveheart on Apr 22, 2008 6:15:51 GMT -5
What an awesome topic Maria... this is something I am working through myself at the moment and after having read the wisdoms shared, I'd like to also offer a different perspective...
Judgment is an instrument of the ego's and the human mind. It is not the natural expression/perspective of our higher self. The higher self exists in a place that is in complete 'knowing' and recognition of the divine plan. It exists in a place that is in constant appreciation and joy at the wonderment of the situations we face in our lives.
To judge someone, is reacting to our own buttons. Its the impulses and patterns in ourselves that we are in need of experiencing for the purpose of aligning ourselves with our higher self. Judging is when we see something that we don't like, or don't agree with sometimes, and is a situation that was bought into activity in our personal life, so that we recognize the unconscious 'perspectives' we carry around like a program, and is 'usually' situations that we perceive as being negative or judge harshly that creates disharmony. The process of ascension is learning to move out of this perspective, and living life through the light of who we really are, to that place that moves beyond the illusion, and assimilates an appreciation for the insights and tools that are presented to us by the souls within our soul groups.
Life is a mirror - what we see is an aspect of who we are. If we are in judgment of an aspect of our life, then it has come up to help us realize a greater reality. They are the situations that serve as clues and tools to breaking free from mental/emotion/perceptual patterns, so that we can break free of our karmic constraints; let go of the hold of the ego, and begin that process of unification at all levels with the higher consciousness.
Judgment is therefore in my view a tool to bring greater awareness of the patterns within our own consciousness.
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Post by Maria on Apr 24, 2008 7:35:50 GMT -5
Great Insight Braveheart I have a question why is judgment always perceived as something negative. I don't think it has to yet we automatically associated it in this manner. Since we are spiritual being having a human experience why do we work so hard to not fully embrace our egos and the experiences we are currently having as human being? This is one of the reason I like the light work because it is the only program that I know of that embraces all the egos and the higher self to create harmony and balance. As such I think Judgment , not the one of people, is a important attribute we have and everyone should ponder on for a while. My $0.02 worth
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Post by braveheart on Apr 25, 2008 5:31:54 GMT -5
I think your spot on with your view Maria... you have identified a 'perceptual pattern' associated with judgement. I believe it is a practical tool
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